Ep. 88: Living Devoted to God
God Hears Her Podcast
Episode 88 – Living Devoted to God
Elisa Morgan & Eryn Eddy with Alicia Britt Chole
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Alicia: We wind up fasting regret and apathy and appearances. We fast premature resolution and neutrality and denial and comparison. We fast tidy faith and speeding past sorrow. We fast interacting with God as a job. We fast withholding and escapism. And so, each of the days introduces a heart fast.
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Elisa: Welcome to God Hears Her. I’m Elisa Morgan.
Eryn: And I’m Eryn Eddy. What comes to mind when you think about spiritual disciplines? Do you think about taking a sabbath or participating in a fast? When was the last time you fasted? What did you give up?
Elisa: Hmm. If you’re like me, you may think of fasting as only giving up things like food or water, but today we’re talking to Dr. Alicia Britt Chole about how fasting involves a lot more than what we may think. Dr. Alicia is a speaker, leadership mentor, an award-winning writer who focuses on less than trendy topics with a combination of realism and hope. She’s been married to her husband for 32 years and together they have three amazing children—all through the miracle of adoption.
Eryn: I am so excited for all of you to meet Dr. Alicia on this episode of God Hears Her. Elisa, this guest that we have I am so excited because she’s just been dear friend and mentor of mine over the last couple of years, and I just want you to now officially formally meet Alicia.
Alicia: It’s such a joy to be with you both. Eryn, I love you deeply. And, Elisa, I have heard the world about you…
Elisa: Oh gosh.
Alicia: …and what you have meant to Eryn, so…
Elisa: Mmm.
Alicia: …it’s an honor to spend time with you both today.
Elisa: Thank you, and…and for anybody confused, yes, my name is Elisa, E-L-I-S-A, and we are visiting with Alicia Chole, A-L-I-C-I-A. Okay? So you’re going to hear that more—Who’s talking now? So [Laughing] sorry about that in advance, but…
Eryn: You know…
Elisa: …well, it’s…it’s great to meet you Alicia.
Alicia: Aw, it’s so good to be here.
Eryn: As much as I know about your life, Alicia, I would love for you to share just with our listeners where are ya from, where did you grow up, what was your childhood like?
Alicia: Yes, well from is a difficult question. I was born in Las Vegas, Nevada, and we moved every year of my life to a new city. People often ask if my dad was in the military, and I answer that it was more about opportunism.
Elisa: Yeah.
Alicia: Daddy always had a dream. He was aways chasing a new company, a new idea, something new to build, and so mom stopped giving away the boxes, and we would just literally move…
Eryn: Huh.
Alicia: …every single year.
Elisa: Mmm.
Alicia: In fact, the first time I ever lived more than one…two years stuck together were my last two years of high school.
Elisa: Wow.
Alicia: So the first time I lived anywhere for any period of time was when I was going to university. So my parents really became my…not only my nuclear family, but my best friends, my life, my support system, which worked well because they knew how to love well.
Elisa: Mmm.
Alicia: I grew up well-loved, and I know that that’s a treasure that is rare. Um there were a lot of things my parents couldn’t give me—faith being one of them, but they were able to give me attention. They were able to give me this unconditional, listening ear that shaped me, and…and I think that’s one of the first things that it would be important to share about my journey is that I grew up in a context where my daddy would always sit me down, ever since I was tiny, and he would just say, “What’s the daughter thinking?”
Elisa: Oh.
Alicia: And it did not matter whatever it was, you know, a two year old dreaming about a hippopotamus flying through the window at night or later on my angst about, you know, systematic injustice or whatever the headlines happened to be, my dad would just listen for hours and say, “Oh, you’re a good thinker. Daughter, you…those are good thoughts.” And I could bring to him any question any concern. Nothing shamed him, nothing shocked him, nothing shut him down. And looking back, I really don’t remember any answers, because the point of asking questions wasn’t getting answers, it was growing relationship. And so when Jesus interrupted, oh an atheist that entire chunk of my life right until the edge of college, when Jesus interrupted my atheistic worldview, and somebody told me Okay, now God is your Father, I was like, Oh what a relief. That means I can come to Him with any question, any concern. Nothing will shame or shock Him or shut Him down. So that nuclear family was incredibly formative not just um emotionally, but spiritually, even though any thoughts about God being real were awaiting a divine interruption that I could have never anticipated.
Elisa: Were you an only child?
Alicia: Yes.
Elisa: Yeah, huh. Because I…I hear this in nuclear, very close, holstered almost. Was it difficult for you to move every single year or did you come to enjoy the adventure of it the way your father kind of did?
Alicia: I…it…it was what was normal for me.
Elisa: Mm-hmm.
Alicia: It was difficult when I processed it years later, but not in the way I had anticipated. I…I love new places, I love new foods, I love new things, I love trying something I’ve never tried before, that sense of adventure stayed with me. What was difficult was the formation of peer relationships.
Elisa: Mm-hmm.
Alicia: The…
Elisa: Friends, yeah.
Eryn: Mm-hmm.
Alicia: …the peer rejections, not just the absence of a community, but rejection by peers was an extremely painful part of my journey.
Elisa: Why was that?
Alicia: You know, Elisa, to this day, other than the fact that I was a pretty strange kid, um I really can’t unravel it. I mean, I…I was odd, hands down. [Laughing] I mean my parents would find me up at night past my bedtime, but what was I doing? I’d have my flashlight, and I was memorizing the Rs of the dictionary. I loved dictionaries. I loved National Geographic. I was fascinated with encyclopedias, and so my interests were a little off kilter from every single new school that I went to. I’m not remoting athletic. I’m spatially disoriented in rather epic portions. The only sport I did was golf, and as you know, that’s…you know, it is…it’s a fantastic sport, [Laughing] but ah but the second it became competitive, I would just, you know, wither a way in a corner and avoid the competition. So there was a sanctuary in my mind that I wound up living in. And I very rarely,…actually not ‘til college felt like I made peer connections, and so though there was no social media clearly at that time, everywhere I went for some reason my nickname would always be Frankenstein.
Elisa: What?
Alicia: The kid not picked. The last one chosen. Ah just formative moments, and my parents’ love was extraordinary, but I didn’t have a root system beyond visible reality. And so my parents’ love was real, and the peer rejection was pervasive, and so eventually that spilled over into a very dark season as a teen where I despaired for life.
Elisa: I bet. Thank you for describing this solitude the way you have. It’s a beautiful resilience that gets built. I hear the pain of it. But I also hear the deep appreciation in you for the love that you received that became that resilience.
Alicia: Yes, I think that combination when I consider the things that since Jesus interrupted my life, that I’ve been interested and studied focused upon academically that combination of being well-loved enough to have the freedom to ask questions and pain being a companion as opposed to a season.
Elisa: Wow.
Alicia: Those two really forge almost everything that I have touched in the decades since Jesus mercifully saved me.
Eryn: Mmm. Alicia, would you share that what that experience was like for you from coming from, and you shared being atheist to being falling in love with the Lord.
Alicia: Mm-hmm. Yes.
Eryn: I would love to learn like what that was like. What was that experience? Yeah, unpack that.
Elisa: I like that term interrupted. Jesus interrupted me...
Alicia: Yes.
Elisa: …that you used.
Alicia: Yes, it truly was nothing I could have foreseen. So my parents, my mother was a woman who had grown up in a tradition of faith, and she was very faithful to that tradition. My dad was a cause of atheist who knew. Dad when he married mom made a commitment to encourage and…encourage her in her faith and any children they would have honor that faith in honor of her. And so I didn’t realize that dad had zero belief system. He never feigned anything other until way, way later in my life um after Jesus came to me and awakened me to Himself. My parents tease me that the very first word out of my mouth wasn’t ma or dad, they say it was why. I’ve been asking questions since I could speak. [Laughter] And people enter into atheism in a lot of different ways. For me it was more of a philosophical entry. I kept asking why and came to the conclusion that religion was the answer for people who weren’t comfortable with empty blanks to those whys.
Eryn: Mmm.
Alicia: That it was an understandable creation by individuals and communities to help take the edge off the angst of the unknown. I considered myself a realist incredibly young. I had chosen atheism as my belief system dad said by the age of nine.
Elisa: Whoa.
Alicia: Fine if people wanted to believe, ah but for me, I preferred the unknown over what I considered to be a fairytale.
Elisa: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Alicia: That choice for atheism was emotionally benign. It just was. I wasn’t angry. I wasn’t argumentative. Not yet. So when my life…the edges of my life became more seasoned by some of the pain that I’ve described, it’s then that that flavor of anger started entering into an otherwise emotionally neutral system of belief. That’s when I started getting annoyed.
Elisa: Hmm.
Alicia: Initially just annoyed. And then just downright upset with people who claimed the existence of a God or gods who held all power, but clearly when you took a realistic look around the universe, he or she or they was not using said power to prevent pain. I found it simplistic, and so it’s fine if people wanted to believe it, but to offer it to me as some placebo, I felt that was cruel. That was unkind. At the very least, poor thinking. So that is what I carried into my approach to college. God gave me two incredible gifts. I met these two young women who had never, ever, ever had their faith questioned ever. So we are talking ever. [Laughing] I mean…
Elisa: Yeah.
Alicia: …let me emphasize that, and they both, you know, in wonderful families of faith, and they were very committed to befriending the new girl, who they quickly found out was an atheist. And, you know, the gifts that God gives us are present from the very beginning, and so my love of words, my love of logic, my tendency toward debate were all in full swing and unredeemed at that time, and so ah we would have all of these discussions and these discussions would evolve in arguments and the arguments would descend into their tears.
Elisa: Aww.
Alicia: And from their tears, they would say the smartest thing they ever could say. They would say, “Alicia, I don’t know.” Brilliant answer!
Elisa: Yes.
Alicia: Especially when it’s true.
Elisa: Yes, yes.
Alicia: “Honest, Alicia, I don’t know, but I know that Jesus lives, and I know that He loves you.” They felt like epic fails in their witnessing to me, and as far as I was concerned, they were. Their believing so strongly in things they explained so poorly honestly just added another nail in the coffin for me about of a…
Elisa: Right, hmm.
Alicia: …any faith system. But there was something happening that was beyond our perception. Within me there was a thaw that because they gave me the present of presence, not only theirs, but the God within them, there was a thaw. That thaw turned into a full-fledged avalanche when a friend’s mother persisted in asking me to church, and realizing that she would never stop asking, I mean, for the rest of my life this woman was going to find a pay phone and she was going to…you know, because that’s all we had. Hello, you know, that she was going to find some phone, find where I was, ask me to go to church, so I finally said, “If I go with you once, will you never ask me again?” And she said, “Yes.” And so I went with her into this itty-bitty little church, sat in the back, absolutely expecting nothing. I hadn’t had some dream that invited me to rethink my life. There wasn’t a tremor in my belief system. Also, I was not drunk or high or in the pit of despair. Expecting nothing, because nothing existed as far as I was concerned, and from the back of this little church, I started hearing these people begin to sing, and I had a supernatural encounter with the God who pursues those who deny Him. I had this hour-and-a-half – two-hour tangible on every level of my existence experience of not just a being and not just the supernatural, I knew like I knew my own name that His name was Jesus.
Elisa: Ah!
Alicia: I left that church new and clueless, but new, and that was the beginning.
Eryn: Hmm.
Elisa: I know right now there’s people listening going I want that or I want that for my daughter or I want that for my grandchild or, you know, I want that for my husband or (sigh)…I don’t want to get stuck here, but anything you might say from your experience that would be an encouragement to that person?
Alicia: If I could say anything it would be do not underestimate the present of your presence. There is more going on than our eyes can see. There is more occurring in their hearts and thoughts than we can hear, and that you are a Christ carrier. Jesus has taken up residence mysteriously in a way we could never comprehend. He has taken up residence within you, and everybody you are near is near Him in a way that is awakening.
Elisa: Hmm.
Alicia: Never despise or underestimate what the present of your presence is doing, and also the power of your prayers. Keep praying. Continue quoting all those Scriptures over your loved ones, praying for them in silent places and places that they’ll never even know about. One time my son when he was younger, he said, Mama, how do I know when prayer is working and how do I know when a prayer will be answered? And I took a cup, and I took him into the bathroom, and I put the faucet on, and it was just one little drip, and I said Baby, our prayers sometimes are like those little drips.
Eryn: Hmm.
Alicia: And I said, We never know when it’s going to overflow, so we just keep praying. And my son said, And we never know how big the cup is, do we?
Eryn: Mmm.
Elisa: Wow.
Alicia: I said, No, so we just keep praying.
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Elisa: When we come back, Dr. Alicia will share how we can all look at spiritual disciplines in a new life-giving way. She’ll also explain a surprising outlook on fasting. Coming up next in our conversation.
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Elisa: Alicia, you strike me as a person who uses the spiritual disciplines to access God in a way you experience more of Him. I mean, the things that you’re sharing, I don’t think you just kind just, you know, took a sip of your Bible one day and came out with this stuff.
Alicia: Mm-hmm.
Elisa: You know, I think this is a…a process, and…and I’m wondering is fasting one of those spiritual disciplines? Does it play a role in this thickness that you’re taking about and describing about what we can have in God?
Alicia: Hmm.
Elisa: You’ve mentioned prayer, you know,…
Alicia: Yes.
Elisa: …does fasting as well?
Alicia: Yes, fasting has been a beautiful gift to my heart for many decades. It’s taken on different forms at different times. Some of the standing disciplines of fasting, though, for me include quarterly sort of three-day fasts, weekly one-day fasts, but the fasting isn’t for the sake of fasting itself. It’s a relational commitment to me. I once heard these fasts described as bridegroom fasts…
Elisa: Hmm.
Alicia: …based on when Jesus said that, you know, No, they’re not fasting. You don’t fast when the bridegroom is with you, but when the bridegroom leaves.
Elisa: Yep.
Alicia: Even though Jesus’s presence is still with us, the Bridegroom has ascended and we’re waiting a moment beyond description on the other side, and so, yes, fasting for me has been precious, and it’s also been a focus academically for me of study because of the kind of fast I see God longing for from us. A fast that is rooted in the love of God and that results for love of humankind. These are the bookends of, I think, fasts that are acceptable to God. They begin not just with duty and definitely not just with denial, they begin with love for God, and their fruit, their result, their outcome is either intentionally or unintentionally the overflow is a love for humankind that reflects our Jesus.
Elisa: You used the phrase of relational fasts then.
Alicia: Yes.
Elisa: Can you describe that a little bit more?
Alicia: Yes, well I think what turns disciplines into devotion is love. Love is what turns disciplines into devotions. I think of the many types of disciplines that we have in our lives, and they’re fantastic, but they’re fruitful to the extent that they’re done relationally. Love is what transforms something. Love is what makes something holy. I think that it may look the same ([Laughing], you know, two or three people can do the exact same thing, but maybe one is doing it from fear. I’m afraid of what will happen if I don’t do this. Maybe one is doing it for acceptance. This is what everyone else is doing; this is what I need to do. Maybe one is doing it for perhaps a misunderstanding of salvation. I need to do this to earn. But the one who does it for the love of God…
Elisa: Hmm.
Alicia: …the fruit is sweeter and more enduring and more shareable.
Elisa: That’s a surprise, isn’t it Eryn? I mean, it seems kind of upside down even. Guess what? Isn’t Jesus kind of upside downy? Yeah. Yeah.
Eryn: Well, you know, I think growing up, I always equated fasting to fasting food, fasting water, and that’s it. I did not think until I feel like only a couple of years ago and honestly being introduced to your book, Alicia, 40 Days of Decrease, learning more about what fasting looks like.
Elisa: Mm-hmm.
Eryn: I would love for you to speak on that a little bit more and identify what is fasting fully and how can we practice that in our daily life?
Alicia: Yes, oh, I’d love to. Love to…love to share anything about that. [Laughing] Um, so my personal definition of fasting is Voluntary abstinence for the love of God. And each one of those words is important. Voluntary means a choice. It means willful and exercising my free will of my own volition to do this. Abstinence speaks of denying ourselves something that our culture says we have a right to, and I’ve already spoken about for the love of God, which turns a discipline into a devotion. When I started studying the history of fasting and looked ah in the Scriptures, the first three times that the word appears in the Scriptures is a corporate call of fasting. The first time was fasting for God’s direction.
Elisa: Hmm.
Alicia: The second time was fasting as a form of confession and repentance, and then the third time it was fasting as a manifestation of mourning. So we have this initial purpose of communal fasting, of direction, confession, and grieving. But as most disciplines do, most disciplines undergo this process where we gut them of relationship, and we make them into sort of an equation.
Eryn: Mmm.
Elisa: Hmm.
Alicia: And so that is why over time, God sounded the rebuke that we find in Isaiah 58 when he says, “Why have we fasted they say, and you have not seen it? Why have we humbled ourselves, and you have not noticed? Yet on the day of fasting you do as you please and exploit all your workers. Your fasting ends in quarrelling and strife and in striking each other with wicked fists. You cannot fast as you do today and expect your voice to be heard on high.” God reminded them of what earlier I referred to as the bookend. You fast for me, with me, and your fast must bear the fruit of love for humankind. And so when I was crafting 40 Days of Decrease, I wanted to somehow participate in reintroducing the discipline of fasting, even specifically during the period of Lent, but speak more of heart fasts, even beyond fasting designer coffee or fabulous dark, organic chocolate with just a hint of sea salt. [Laughing]
Elisa: Stop!
Alicia: I…I know, right? Um so in 40 Days of Decrease, we wind up fasting regret and apathy and appearances. We fast premature resolution and neutrality and denial and comparison. We fast tidy faith and speeding past sorrow. We fast interacting with God as a job. We fast withholding and escapism. And so each of the days introduces a heart fast and then connects it with Jesus’s cross-ward journey that brought us new life.
Eryn: Hmm.
Elisa: That is a very fresh approach…
Eryn: Mm-hmm.
Elisa: …and evolving straight out of the love relationship you’re describing. What are some fasts that you yourself have done? I’m sure you’ve done each one of these.
Alicia: Mm-hmm. Mmm. Yes, all of the different fasts obviously have been very precious to me. There’s also been some unusual fasts. One year I fasted sugar like for a whole year.
Eryn: Oh gosh.
Elisa: Ooh.
Alicia: Which was obviously a…a tremendous change for me, and ah there was one year that I fasted purchasing anything for myself. Kind of this adventure, I mean, from shampoo to shoes.
Elisa: Wow.
Alicia: And it was just wonderful.
Eryn: How did you do that?
Alicia: Oh I tell you what, friend? It was so much fun! [Laughing] It just felt like…it felt like an adventure It felt like a challenge. Something that I just wanted to do for the love of God, and so it was really beautiful seeing out of the blue friends sending me fancy shampoos and, you know, Mom…mom I’m coming in and buying me shoes.
Eryn: That’s awesome.
Alicia: It was just…
Elisa: It didn’t mean you couldn’t enjoy them or have them.
Alicia: I lacked nothing.
Elisa: You just needed to yield and be dependent on God to provide them.
Alicia: Yeah.
Elisa: And is that part of the…the key of the fast is that you yield your own control, initiative, doing, and become more dependent on God’s provision in this love relationship? Is…is that kind of another way to expl…express it?
Alicia: Yes, I do. I think that it is a means of rediscovering the strength of leaning.
Elisa: Okay.
Alicia: We love to stand on two feet solid and immoveable, but faith is enriched by leaning, and fasts invite us to lean. That stunning image we have of John leaning on Jesus. So beautiful. We want pictures of it. We just don’t want to live it.
Elisa: [Laughing]
Alicia: Right? We want to stand on our own two feet, but I know the more we lean the more we love. The more we lean the more we learn. I think the more we lean we find true spiritual health. Fasting’s a form of learning to lean.
Eryn: How would you encourage somebody that, you know, I was thinking about the words we were sharing earlier like fasting regret, and fasting…
Alicia: Mm-hmm.
Eryn: …comparison…
Alicia: Yes.
Eryn: …and fasting…maybe it’s fasting control, which is something I’m learning and trauma therapy right now. [Laughing] Um how does one…how does one just start to embark on that journey?
Alicia: Yes, I would say don’t start alone. Faith is also lived in the plural with God and with others. I would find a friend and say, Let’s together for the next week, how can we encourage one another to fast regret?
Eryn: Hmm.
Alicia: In…in relationship come up with a plan.
Eryn: Mm-hmm.
Alicia: You know, next time I’m thinking going back to rewind that thing that, you know, I’ve told you all too well, I’m just going to send you a text and you’re heart says I’m with you.
Elisa: Hmm.
Alicia: In relationship. Relationship grows relationship, and healthy relationship in one sphere overflows into healthy relationships in other spheres, including our relationship with God. So I would say what I said. Start with love. Do it for love. Do it as a love offering, and you’re like you may think Oh that’s just too tiny. No it’s not. No it’s not. We live in a day where we underestimate the small. We keep waiting for the oasis. We keep waiting for the big. We keep waiting for eutopia. And, no, change is found in the small, tiny cracks of life, so start for the love of God, start with someone you love, and start with the small.
Eryn: Hmm.
Elisa: I want to just lay this out there as well, because I think it holds me back from trying to please God is that I think oh whenever I think of fasts, I think of I’m doing something wrong, something unhealthy that I need to give up, because I’m being disobedient to God…
Alicia: Mmm. Mm-hmm.
Elisa: …and displeasing Him, and that’s typically the mentality that immediately I begin to perform from on the topic of fasting. And what you’re suggesting, Alicia, is to put that out of my mind or, this is probably the next step, [Laughing] to when those shame-filled accusations come into my mind, I let God love me even in them.
Alicia: Yes.
Elisa: And then…
Alicia: Yes.
Elisa: …I’ll pick up something that I can do.
Alicia: Mm-hmm.
Elisa: That I do want to offer. Instead of not offering that preciousness because I’m so lousy and two-faced and etcetera, I let God see me in that and let God love me in that.
Alicia: Yes.
Elisa: And then pick up what I can offer.
Alicia: Yeah, absolutely. There’s a phrase that Eryn has heard me say a hundred times in our seventh year of mentoring. A shift, I believe, is being called for from earth-up living to heaven-down living. I think a lot of our traditional efforts at fasting, and you described this so well, Elisa, was earth-up covers something I’m doing wrong. You know, there’s something I need to change. There’s something you don’t like about me, and I…I need…I need to work on that. But there’s a shift from this earth-up evaluation to this heaven-down invitation. I think what He’s looking for is movement not accomplishment. I think He’s looking for us turning our face to Him, not necessarily crossing some line that we’ve drawn somewhere. And I go back to with my kids, you know, the first time one of them grabbed the side of something and pulled themselves up and then fell down promptly on their padded behind, I didn’t cross my arms and so Oh for the love, would you let me know when you get that right? [Laughter] I went crazy, right?
Eryn: Yeah.
Elisa: Yeah.
Alicia: I took pictures. I sent videos. I, you know, told everybody not because something was completed. Certainly not because something was perfected, but because there was a sign of movement. And God treasures our movement. I…It’s so hard, but as we continue in this journey of living from love, letting Him be the good Father that He is, I think that we have no idea the joy it brings Him when we simply rise and say, I just love you. Incomplete, I’m imperfect. I’ve messed up twenty times and it’s only 6 am, but I love you. I love you. I’m going to keep turning my face toward you. And to me, love is the strongest real motivator for change.
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Elisa: It’s so intriguing to learn new ways to fast. God invites us to offer various things up to Him, because like Dr. Alicia explained, it helps us connect with Him.
Eryn: I’m so happy we could have this conversation with Dr. Alicia. She is amazing! Well before we end today’s episode of God Hears Her, we want to remind you that the show notes are available in the podcast description. The show notes include a link to Dr. Alicia’s website where you can check out her book 40 Days of Decrease to learn more about fasting. There are also links to connect with Elisa and me on social. You can find these links when you visit our website at godhearsher.org. That’s godhearsher.org.
Elisa: Thanks for joining us, and don’t forget God hears you, He sees you, and He loves you because you are His.
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Eryn: Today’s episode was engineered by Gabrielle Boward and produced by Mary Jo Clark, Daniel Ryan Day, Jade Gustafson, and Ryan Clevenger. We want to also thank Rob and Deb for all their help and support. We appreciate you all.
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Elisa: God Hears Her is a production of Our Daily Bread Ministries.
